he talked about going over the debt ceiling. shutting down the government. said that we need to do what republicans did in 1995 is just shut the whole thing down, stand by our principle demand spending cuts. >> bill: we have that bite. so here's senator ted cruz, republican from texas new tea party leader as to what we should do -- what republicans should do when it comes to the debt ceiling. >> there was some political cost to be paid but at the end of the day, because republicans stood strong in 1995, we saw year after year of balanced budgets and some of the most fiscally possible policies congress has produced in the modern era. if we stand strong, we can do that again and it just comes down to republicans, are we willing to stand strong and face the wrath of the mainstream media criticizing us and the president saying nasty things about us. >> bill: now, is he just an idiot or a liar. the thing is yeah, newt gingrich shut down the government in 1995. how did that work out? newt gingrich got tossed out. republicans lost control of the house. and yeah, we